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Who belongs in 40K: Squats or Tau?
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Who belongs in 40K: Squats or Tau?
Squats
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Tau
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 7:09 pm    Post subject: Who belongs in 40K: Squats or Tau? Reply with quote

I'm just wondering what everyone thinks.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Definitly the Sqauts. They are the older army list and the Tau are the new guys on the block and should stay in the newer lists.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 12, 2005 11:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to go with the Tau, only because I never really saw much potential for the Squats/Space Dwarves... Thou, I'd be curious to see if GW ressurects the Squats under the guise of the 'Demiurg'.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dralithos wrote:
I have to go with the Tau, only because I never really saw much potential for the Squats/Space Dwarves.

To be fair, the squats were never really given a chance. Even though there were more pictures of squats in the RT book than of Eldar, the cigar-chomping, power board-riding, "SYKO"s of RT were never seen again. The eldar got a bunch of white dwarf articles and the orcs got three hardbacked books, but the only squat info came about through the epic game where squats remained popular.

Its esp. sad because some of the unreleased 2ed squats were pretty cool.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 10:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesus Christ. I have no idea how many times I have to post the link to this solution before I get a response.

There is no place for the Tau in 40k. Not as a major race. Not with that kind of tech.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 3:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's complete rubbish. They are in no way made out to be inferior to the Imperium in approach nor in discipline. They should be expelled.

Isaac Tobin is (was) well known to the Studio. He had articles published in White Dwarf. I've only linked this something like ten times on HotH and twice here. You people astound me.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 5:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Codex wrote:
I have no idea how many times I have to post the link to this solution before I get a response.


Anime space dwarves in outer space? Nah, I don't think so.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 13, 2005 9:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i see that page for the first time and it's ok. i fully support codex on the idea that tau do not belong to 40k. i don't like the look of the models at all. they'd good in some appleseed game but not in 2ed universe. leave the f*ckheads for 4th ed. nope, sorry- these monsters with needle rifles could be used as a some sort of natives in special scenarios.

i think that squats (or rather demiurg, whatever-any name is better then SQUAT) would make excellent army, but as jervis admitted once- they f*cked it up.they made them as a joke.

here's a complete collection of squat models from rt era (in case you haven't seen it.http://www.polycon.org/squats/

i picture dwarfs as having engineer squads with graviton guns as standard, some new vehicle cards such as force field generator. also support weapons mounted on tanks should include: conersion beamers, mole mortars and thud guns.

so, slow moving force in general but heavy fire power and hard armor.[/url]
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Rogue Trader and 2nd edition era Squats belong in Warhammer Fantasy, at the bottom of a mine shaft. Preferably never coming out into the light of day to embarrass themselves.

The almost pure Science-Fiction of the Tau may clash with the Fantasy universe of 40K, but I'd prefer a more Science-Fiction setting anyway.

I like all of Isaac Tobin's ideas, they really are very good, especially the society division stuff and how they fit into the galaxy. It's just a shame the ideas are wasted on Squats.
Surly, drunken, bearded midgets. They're a joke, they don't deserve to be taken seriously and given a place next to the other significant races of the galaxy. As a species, maybe they could compete with Grotts, or Ratlings.
Would a Tyranid even eat a Squat? I wouldn't want to be seen consuming something that conceptually bad. If I was something awe-inspiringly cool, like a Space Marine, or an Aspect Warrior, or a Greater Demon, I would be really concerned that something as lame as Squats existed in the same universe as me. Why don't they just make Pokemon, or Smurfs, or Jarjar Binks', or anthropomorphic talking cartoon dogs the next major alien race to have a codex and model range?

I am strongly against the existance of Squats, without a name and thorough image change.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 4:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does anyone have any information on Tau? I've got the vaguest recollection somewhere of some power armoured style piece. Seriously, somehow I just love the squats, they're the only ones I'm familiar with.

I remember in RT it was possible to equip their combat squads with a mass of heavy bolters. That suits me. Sure they don't jump pack around like space marines and don't run around like eldar harlequins but they can stand firm and hold out. It's another style that complements RT.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:41 am    Post subject: ... Reply with quote

they both belong - but squats more then tau. I am a big fan ov aliens, but I am a big fan ov abhumans as well.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

kharille wrote:
Does anyone have any information on Tau? I've got the vaguest recollection somewhere of some power armoured style piece.
GW's official page that answers the question "Who are the Tau?"
http://uk.games-workshop.com/tau/who%2Dare/

My non-official answer:
The Tau are a young race that have built a small empire in the remotest reaches of the Ultima Segmentum, where the Astronomicon is barely discernable. Their highly organized society is divided into castes and all Tau share a unifying philosophy called the Greater Good. All Tau work selflessly for the betterment of their society and their neighbors before thinking of themselves.

The Tau consider all sentients potential allies and welcome any in to the empire who wish to serve the Greater Good. When the Tau encounter an alien culture they make friendly contact and offer them a place in the empire. Members of the Tau empire enjoy the fruits of their advanced technology and the support of all the other races and planets, but they must also contribute fully to the empire's safety and properity. Races that accept the offer become happy productive members of the empire. The Tau may try for a long time to convince reluctant species to join them. However, races that respond with hostility or eventually hold up the expansion of the empire are invaded and conquered with the aforementioned advanced technology. Sooner or later the survivors recognize the benefits of membership and agree to join the empire.

The Tau don't hold grudges, and there are actually many happy productive Human citizens of the empire... survivors or descendants of the failed Damocles Crusade in which the Imperium tried and failed to annihilate the Tau. There are a number of other races in the empire, though the Kroot are the best known in 40K. There are some others that only appear in Battle Fleet Gothic because they make poor ground troops and only fight in the navy.

One other important item is that the Tau are dead to the warp. There are no Tau psykers. Tau cannot be possessed by daemons or have their minds manipulated by psychic means. They also have no way to feel their way through the warp as most other races can. The Tau have a technological mean of punching holes into the warp that a ship can pass through, but it only works at certain weak points in space that must be located by scanning and charting a system.


In battle the Tau have extremely heavy firepower and excellent maneuverability. Thier most recognizable units, Battle Suits, are heavily armed and armoured infantry. Faster and more agile than foot troops due to jet packs, they can duck behind cover after firing or move as fast as a tank while still firing. Regular Tau infantry wear the equivalent of carapace armor (4+ Sv) and carry S5, 30" Pulse Rifles... perhaps the best basic infantry weapon in the game (barring perhaps the Necron Gauss Flayer).
The Tau themselves are not very physically impressive. Members of the warrior caste who have lived their entire lives for battle are roughly equivalent to an Imperial Guard regular with a few years of service. Tau are especially bad at hand-to-hand combat and prefer to leave that task to allied races like the Kroot who fight beside them.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 12:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't like the concept of a nice race in 40k. Hence, I am offended by the concept of the Tau. Squats all the way.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 15, 2005 4:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hm, have to spend some time on those links sometime... Thing is, they couldn't really avoid improving on top of earlier material right? Sure makes things more appealing when you release them. Wasn't that why they had to add the +1 Toughness to spacemarines later on to balance everything?


Well, I'm a RT only man so Tau are out for me..... Give me little midgets on trikes and cigars.....
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