Necromunda 3.0 - Skills & Leveling Review

[screamingabdab]

yeah i like that way of working out HtoH hits

but i disagree with the "one wounding XP reward per turn" idea, as said it nerfs gunfighter, rapid fire, templates & HtoH. It'd mean more paperwork but I'd like to the first wounding hit give 5XP subsequent ones give 2XP.
_________________
All we are is all we've ever done.

[Catferret]

I'm happy with the current Advance Table. It's mainly the balancing of the skill tables i'd like to see, plus making the Heavy and Leader (and Gang Veteran) tables made "official".

In defence of my "one wounding hit per turn" suggestion, it was indeed intended as a "nerf". I think it favours certain weapons or skill combos over others. I think it would go a long way to balancing some of the weapons as well as skills and lowering book keeping.

[Goobahfish]

OK, so the issues with the current XP allocation system are:

Hitting 3 models with Sustained Fire is rewarded more than hitting 3 models with a Template (which is counter-intuitive).

Hitting a model 3 times with a Heavy Stubber is rewarded more than hitting once with a Meltagun inflicting the same damage.

Hitting a character in hand-to-hand with Bio-booster/True Grit statistically yields more XP than a character without such an ability.

Killing a CC enemy with an Eviscerator inflicting 3 wounds in one hit (on a 3 wound advesary), yields less experience than killing an enemy with 3 hits with a knife. This can be true even if the Eviscerator player scored 3 hits as the remaining 2 are discounted.

So, in summary, the game biases towards models who inflict multiple low-injury weapons. A simple example would be, the ultimate heavy weapon:

Flesh-wounder:
3 SF, 2+ Ammo, Strength 4. This weapon only does flesh-wounds.

There are two general alternatives.
Limit the number of XP per round (disadvantaging gunfighters, SF, CC)

Alter the XP system to reward taking particular enemies Down or OOA.
For instance, if you wanted to be especially complex you could say taking an opponent OOA grants 4 + target-XP/10 and taking them down does half that amount.

So taking juve down grants 2, ganger 3 and leader 5. Taking them OOA does 4, 6 & 10... or something like that...
_________________
AKA Sir WIKI AKA The Shameless Rules Thief

If you post any rules on this forum, consider them officially stolen ^_^
... and deposited:
http://easternfringe.com/efwiki/index.php?title=Goobahfish%27s_House_Rules

[screamingabdab]

i'm liking the idea of different XP rewards for taking different people down.
_________________
All we are is all we've ever done.

[FreeHansje]

I hope we're not gonna make it complicated: just reward xp for wounding an opponent in 1 turn, no matter you hit him one or six times. If you wound multiple opponents(template,SF) reward xp for each wounded.
I like the relative simplicity of the game and it looks that is being removed. I hope I am mistaken in that.
_________________
Greetz,
FreeHansje

[Caelwyn]

[Ambience 327]

[Adoni-Zedek]

So just to clarify: If you hit someone who has 2 wounds with a meltagun and inflict 5 wounds, you would get 5xp for the 1st wound. Then you’d roll for the 2nd wound. If you rolled a flesh wound, you’d get 5xp. If your 3rd wound resulted in “down” you’d get another 5xp. If your 4th wound was another flesh wound, would you get another 5xp? Or would you say he’s already down, and so you woundn’t get anything? If your 5th wound resulted in out of action, you wouldn’t get any additional xp, as the target was already down, correct?

[Goobahfish]

@Ambience

Ya, I'm aware of the usual fluff-based arguments for the alotment of XP. I was speaking from a strictly gamist point of view. A weapon that inflicts 3 Strength 6 hits yields more experience than a Strength 6 weapon which inflicts 3 wounds. This gives a bias to multi-shot low-damage weapons over single-shot high-damage weapons.

From a fluff perspective, there is an argument too. If I use a Heavy Stubber get 6 shots, hit 4 times and wound 3 times I'll get 15XP (3 wound target). If I use a HPG, I have one attempt to shoot and inflict 3 wounds out of a possible D3.

It all depends on how you conceptualize multiple wounding weapons. I guess it could be that each plasma-ball is a different size, but I think its more likely that a 1 means a arm/leg/graze whereas 3 means a in your face leveller. A tough ganger (3 wounds) will ignore the arm wound and most bullet rounds but a dead-on from the plasmagun will likely ruin him, whereas a graze might not. This gives the possibility of 3 lame shots from a plasma vs 1 good... which yields more experience? So why would you not be rewarded for the higher-wounding shot? It's a better shot and more likely to provide more experience (even if it was a fluke).

Consider the combat case? From my experience, he who lands the first blow generally lands the second (movies are highly inaccurate). The point is, there are significant dimishing returns in combat, even with a tough opponent. You either have it or you don't so-to-speak.

I guess the point I am trying to make is that from a mechanics point-of-view, there is an inherent bias that seems unnecessary. Not only this but the bias is towards weapons that already have bias from other sources (multi-shooting > multi-wounding because gangers are weak and numerous). From a fluff point-of-view, there is the current explanation, but fluff can often be argued either way.

Still, I'm not really advocating any particular position, just offering suggestions.
_________________
AKA Sir WIKI AKA The Shameless Rules Thief

If you post any rules on this forum, consider them officially stolen ^_^
... and deposited:
http://easternfringe.com/efwiki/index.php?title=Goobahfish%27s_House_Rules

[Caelwyn]

[Adoni-Zedek]

[Caelwyn]

[Caelwyn]

Okay so six day working weeks and now no reliable internet access has limited my input to this.

Not many votes for changing the ART to be less random subsequent to my asking.

What about changing the way wounding hits award xp. People have made suggestions above about the various instances xp can and can't be gained. Should we look at changing the current system?
_________________
Inquisitor Skirmish and Necromunda House Rules

The Underhive Necromunda Forum

The Specialist Games Forum

[Adoni-Zedek]

[screamingabdab]

yep they work for me. also grant XP's for wounds inflicted via Throwing an enemy.
_________________
All we are is all we've ever done.