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The Mafiacheese Terrain Variety Hour

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 05, 2011 12:15 pm 
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Beware, updates will be sporadic as I do work a minimum of 40 hours a week (mandatory, last-minute overtime is awesome :roll:), but whenever I get some free time I'm going to try to work on some varying terrain projects. It does look like 40K is the way things are looking but I might sneak in some pieces that could used for Necromunda too. I've been a fan of Cityfight/Cities of Death so a lot of what I'd like to do will be more urban-themed but I will make some exterior stuff all the same.

I will normally post photos, but only if I'm doing something creative will I post in-progress stuff. If I'm following someone else's blueprints I'll show you my finished work instead and just credit them for the design (linking it if possible). Instead of making a blue-million threads whenever I have questions I'll start asking them in here, but I'll try to incorporate them into content updates as a reading incentive. :wink:

Here's <a href="http://www.games-workshop.com/gws/content/article.jsp?aId=5800003" target="_blank">the plans for the "Games Workshop Ziggurat" that I'm going to work on</a>. Seems fairly simple so I'll hopefully have it completed within the next week or so. Right now I only have the basic stuff, thought about getting cake pillars to break into ruined columns but apparently they only carry them locally in plastic instead of plaster. Not sure if I'll add static grass or not, but I did buy some black glass mosaic tiles that look about 1" square, so I might incorporate them into the design at some point. I'll figure out how to make stairs later, since it looks like they're designed to be removed for placement later.


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Sounds cool! Looking forward to updates! :D


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maybe if you saw the plastic pillars in half you can make your own using it as a mold?

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squevil wrote:
maybe if you saw the plastic pillars in half you can make your own using it as a mold?


The smaller ones I might wind up buying when I need intact ones, as they're like $3-5 for 4 of them. But I'm not quite to the level of craftiness to work with resin/molds and such...maybe in the future...

The do actually still sell them online, and I bet if I went somewhere like a specialty shop for bakers I could find them, but I'm not terribly interested in going out of the way for one thing (except to Lowe's for the 1" polystyrene that I *need* for this project...stupid Home Depot is a lot closer). I've never actually used the columns but they're suggested in one of the Citadel books on making wargaming terrain...so anytime GW endorses something that ISN'T something they sell, I tend to make a note of it, lol.


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I lied.

I decided to take a few WIP photos just so y'all don't think I'm blowing smoke, lol. And I figured that I ought to take at least a couple of photos to commemorate my first terrain piece.

Photos taken from my Droid X's 8 MP camera (which sadly shows up better than the 12 MP Kodak camera I bought a few years back). I'm sure I'll get better at taking photos in the future. For now I'm keeping the photos at Flickr's "medium" setting just in case there are any souls out there that don't have broadband access...

<img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7158/6464384139_34252b92d1.jpg" width="500" height="282" alt="Ziggurat 1">
The basic, rough layout of the piece. As of now I still need to weather it on the edges (though the rough cut did a nice job on some sides already).

<img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7005/6464384765_05064b7f14.jpg" width="500" height="282" alt="Ziggurat 2">
Same piece, different angle.

<img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7004/6464385303_b81196f7ca.jpg" width="500" height="282" alt="Ziggurat 3">
Obligatory model for scale photo, lol.

<img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7164/6464385873_2434d7fa11.jpg" width="500" height="282" alt="Ziggurat 4">
Obligatory model for scale photo #2.

<img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7029/6464386407_d2efec530a.jpg" width="500" height="282" alt="Ziggurat 5">
This poor sap just realized that, unless he opts to run during the shooting phase (not probably a problem since he has a flamer...and there's no one else on the board...), it'll take him about 4 game turns to run from one edge to the other...

Right now the larger two tiers have been grided (but not scored) and about half of the third tier has been grided. I'll probably finish the rest in the morning but the lady and I are going to watch some DVR'd TV before bed (I've made it clear to her that she gets priority over the hobby, but within reason, lol).

Also, a question: any ideas on how to make this ruin more 40K-y? The Arcane Ruins set GW used in their build is fine and dandy but I'm trying not to drop $25 onto a terrain piece when, officially, there isn't a gaming group. I'm not opposed to spending money on bits or whatnot, just not a whole box set. Right now I'm thinking this could evolve into a xenos ruin but I'm not married to the idea just yet...


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No photos but I did manage to grid everything off, it looks a bit jacked up on the top tier but if I wind up covering it with the black glass mosaic tiles, it'll be hidden, lol. I'm waiting until the weekend to do any more, plus I'll probably try to shape up that whole room in the basement to be a proper man cave by putting up some shelves to put future armies onto.

Aside from the unanswered question about how to possibly 40K-up this ruined ziggurat, does anyone have any suggestion on adhesive choice? I know liquid nails are BAAAAD indoors, so I'll avoid them. Right now I have a pot of PVC cement, a large bottle of wood glue, and some small amounts of super glue and plastic cement (intended for models). Given the large surface area I'll need to glue the PVC cement or wood glue seems like the better choices, but what will give me the best hold, essentially turning the four tiers into one solid piece?


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dont use resin. plaster of paris dude. we used that in primary school it cant be hard :P perhaps use vasaline or something inside though to let the plaster come out. id love to have room to try this sort of thing but i wont for a couple of years so good luck with the build. i must also add that model is either really small or that is one huge piece of scenery!

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squevil wrote:
i must also add that model is either really small or that is one huge piece of scenery!


The large part of the base is 24"x24", so yeah, it's a long haul for any model. Pretty much everything on the ground will have LOS blocked, but it's a terrain piece that's meant to dominate the battlefield. The scenario that GW designed around the piece involves something like 7 dwarves holding off a horde of goblins using ranged weaponry and chokepoints. My plan is to use it as exterior terrain on something like a desert or dead world, with no industrial-type terrain to overshadow it.


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Tonight I finally finished scoring the piece and tore chunks out to simulate weathering (and also hide some bad lines I created, lol). There's a crappy coat of gray spray paint on the piece (being held together by wood glue, I hope...the PVC glue I contemplated using looked a bit too hazardous to use in the basement...) as well. I know that spray paint and styrofoam don't mix well together, but I'm hoping the mottling effect that occurred when the spray paint eats away at the foam will help add to the weathering effect.

Right now I'm not too thrilled with the paint coverage, and I know that adding more spray paint will destroy the piece. Any idea on what type of house paint would work on larger pieces? A lot of sites/builders seem on the fence about what to use (if they even have an opinion either way), but I'm curious as to what you guys have had success with.


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Hmm, I don't know if spray paint was the right thing to use at all. The eating effect has a good chance of making it too busy. As well as making pot holes and the like.

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I know there is a line of spray that will not eat foam. I think krylon makes it, something about H2O in its name.


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Hmm, I don't know if spray paint was the right thing to use at all. The eating effect has a good chance of making it too busy. As well as making pot holes and the like.


Unlike my last gaming group, I read the directions, lol (they sprayed the foam board we used as our table at POINT BLANK range, creating pot holes large enough for half a squad to fall into). I sprayed the piece from the 10-12" recommended firing range, which didn't coat it heavily and minimized the mottling/eating/etc. I actually like what it did do to the outer edges, and the inner portions are in good shape...at least, the parts I didn't intentionally cut potholes and such into! But the idea behind this piece is that it's meant to look a bit decrepit, with who knows how much weathering having been done to it. I'm going to try and contrast that by putting black glass mosaic tile on the top layer, as it looks nice and shiny when fingerprints aren't on it!

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I know there is a line of spray that will not eat foam. I think krylon makes it, something about H2O in its name.


That's actually what I'm using for the black and white basecoats for my models. I think the gray might be that way too but I'm not 100% on that without running downstairs, it's their "primer" paint can (the only way I could find flat gray paint] so it could or could not be. But I appreciate the tip, since I did not know that it had that property! :D

Once I go out sometime next weekend to get some sort of house paint (need to figure out latex vs acrylic...) mixed up in a suitable shade of gray, I'll take and post more photos. Right now with the thin first coat of spray paint it's kind of sad looking, since the green foam is still a bit visible underneath. While I could lazily just say it's some sort of rare ore mix or something, I want to do this first piece right. Also I can get some electrostatic grass or something to simulate a lichen-type substance (ideas?) to overgrow the ruined portion.

And then I need to figure out how to build stairs. I have plenty of foam leftover that I could make it out of that, it's figuring out the dimensions to cut that'll be the difficult part (as I do everything with a knife instead of a wire cutter).


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No real progress as I've been feeling a bit under the weather lately, but I did manage to scrape myself up to go and buy a quart of paint from Home Depot to finish off the bulk of the piece.

However, I felt like posting anyway because I did manage to find something interesting while I was at Home Depot today: "oops paint." Seriously, this stuff was pretty great...for 50 cents a pop, I netted two unwanted (and unreturnable) 750mL pots of colors that would be great for painting a sand or desert board or terrain items like sandbags. Something to consider if, like me, you're on a budget for building terrain. And since these in particular were plastic, I can turn THEM into terrain in the future! Not bad for a buck!

I did at least also decide on what I want to use for my actual board. 4 pre-cut sections of 2'x4' 1/2" thick MDF board are what I'll use (not buying them until I have some tables to place them on). They weren't terribly heavy so I could move them by myself with no real problem. Only debate I'm having now is whether to make them double-sided (one urban, one wilderness [undecided as to what wilderness type to do]) or buy a second set of boards...


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This sort of reminds me of the Mordheim Foundations that Iron Hands made.

http://ironhands.com/mordfoun.htm

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I had completely forgotten about that site (but it is bookmarked now)! Odd that he seemed to choose wood for most of it, but whatever works, I guess. At least now I have a couple of leads on how to build stairs for the ziggurat. Thanks for posting that!


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