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PostPosted: Sat Dec 15, 2012 12:32 pm 
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I wonder, is it to soon to discuss this?

Everyone is calling for more gun control, and it is hard to argue with that. I am not sure myself, what the right thing to do would be.

But just days before the shooting in the elementary school in Conn, there was a guy who shoot three people then himself here in my home town of Portland Or. And then there is the shootings during Batman last July.

Seems, kinda crazy and of course Facebook is blowing up with all sorts of those stupid memes (which to me is just bumper stickers that make people feel like they are doing something when they really aren't)

So I wonder what the rest of you guys think about this, especially since a lot of the EFF members are from other countries I thought it would be interesting to hear your points of views.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 10:57 am 
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not sure if you saw my facebook status. but anyway... what bugs me is that this happens in all parts of the world every single day. the media are there making money off the back of a tragedy while we all get sucked into it as the case is made high profile.

the UN is already putting pressure in the US about their gun laws. this will be a major catalyst is changing those laws. as your president is in his last term i would imagine those laws changing within the next 4 years as many will oppose it and he wouldnt give a crap as he wont be running for another term anyway.
all hand guns were banned in the uk after a similar shooting about 12 years ago. did it stop gun crime though? nope. however i cant think of a similar thing happening here since then though.
then you got switzerland (im sure its that country) that give automatic weapons to every male citizen because they are a neutral country and their crime rates are very low.

but there is something very wrong with a person if they have a need to shoot up a load of school children. makes me wonder how such a person can go under the radar without anyone reconising they have a mental disorder which you clearly must have to do such an act.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 16, 2012 11:58 am 
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My take on the shootings, summed up in the links (a similar theme, I just can't type it all out sensibly)

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/12/15/1170379/-An-Aspie-s-Take-On-Gun-Control-and-the-Knee-Jerk-Reaction-of-the-Right-Wing
http://dailycaller.com/2012/12/15/mark-levin-politicians-pushing-gun-control-agenda-immediately-are-a-disgrace-audio/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/dec/15/newtown-shooting-tighter-gun-control-laws
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/luis-ruuska/if-you-dont-want-to-talk-_b_2307503.html
http://rabble.ca/blogs/bloggers/michael-stewart/2012/12/i-dont-want-talk-about-gun-control

I'm for gun control, and I'm for people having the freedom to own guns. They're not mutually exclusive.

The UK system works, after a fashion (I know its not perfect), and it only stops people from owning firearms if they have a history of mental illness. This sort of thing is reviled by gun lobbyists in the US, but for the life of me I don't know why, since it doesn't stop people owning guns without good reason.

I also agree that the sensationalism around these shootings is too much, and doesn't help any kind of rational, reasoned discussion on the subject.

The thing with Switzerland is that they still have conscription, of sorts, meaning that people are given miltary training and then allowed to keep and maintain their military-issued firearms as a people's militia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_politics is an interesting read, and it expands by country.


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